Kevin McCarthy’s caught-on-tape consideration of asking President Donald Trump to resign after the Capitol attack roiled the Beltway. Inside his conference, though, House Republicans are largely shrugging it off.
And even the latest McCarthy recording — in which he said some of his own members posed a security risk — didn’t appear to immediately trigger an alarm among most members.
Days after The New York Times released audio of McCarthy weighing a suggestion that Trump resign — which the House minority leader had previously denied — few Republicans appeared to take issue with it. McCarthy allies cited a bevy of reasons why his disavowal of his recorded comments were of little concern, from the emotional strain lawmakers experienced following last year’s insurrection to the way the newspaper asked for comment.
“Nobody cares about that. … Nobody but the media and journalists,” said Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.), chair of the National Republican Congressional Committee.
“It’s a distraction that some New York Times reporters would rather report on things that Americans don’t care about, instead of focusing on what’s causing the inflation, which is the reckless spending these guys are doing. Those are the issues. The tape’s not.”
With Trump himself also seeming to revel in the power he exerted through the McCarthy-tape episode, its effect on the California Republican’s future speakership prospects is looking questionable so far. That includes the new Times tape released Tuesday night, which featured McCarthy saying Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) was “putting people in jeopardy” and criticizing Rep. Mo Brooks’ (R-Ala.) behavior surrounding the riot. In the same meeting, McCarthy and his leadership team also criticized the rhetoric of two other members’ surrounding the Jan. 6 attack: Reps. Lauren Boebert (R-Col.) and Barry Moore (R-Ala.).
Within hours, Gaetz released a fiery statement criticizing the Republican leader and others.
“Rep. McCarthy and Rep. Scalise held views about President Trump and me that they shared on sniveling calls with Liz Cheney, not us,” Gaetz said in a statement. “This is the behavior of weak men, not leaders.”
Other members specifically named in the story held their fire when asked about the McCarthy tape on Tuesday night, with several pointing the blame at the media instead.
“The RINOs engineering this story to promote their own selfish agenda won’t be around next year to prop up the Democrats’ destructive Big Government scheme,” said Moore.
Boebert said, “I haven’t heard anything like that, goodness.”
And unlike the first tape, House Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) was also included as suggesting that what Gaetz did could be “illegal.”
“I haven’t seen what they’re referring to,” Scalise told reporters Tuesday night of the latest tape, which includes a comment from him describing Gaetz’s behavior as “potentially illegal.”
“But it’s not surprising to me that the liberal media wants to keep talking about Jan. 6,” Scalise added. “Because they don’t want to focus on all the crises that President Biden’s created, from inflation to gas prices to the border.”
As House Republicans started to digest the new McCarthy recording, even some Trump allies who voted to block certification of President Joe Biden’s 2020 victory were undeterred about his questionable denial of the earlier tape.
Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, who’s also close to McCarthy, said simply that “I’m for Donald Trump being the next president and Kevin McCarthy being the next speaker.”
Still, not all Republicans are ready to let the tapes drama fade. They could be easy ammunition for Republicans who want to squeeze McCarthy for concessions or for new conference members who want to make a name for themselves with the party base as ready to challenge leadership.
Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona, who chaired the Trump-allied House Freedom Caucus until January, told the conservative One America News Network that McCarthy’s comments in the audio “undermined” colleagues who had voted to object to the election.
Biggs added to OANN that McCarthy wasn’t “candid” with other House Republicans that a potential Trump-resignation call was under consideration, and also rapped the GOP leader’s recorded observations about removing some vocal Trump acolytes from social media.
Still, few Republicans were willing to criticize their leader when they arrived back in the Capitol on Tuesday night, their first in-person gathering since the explosive New York Times report last Thursday.
Alabama Rep. Mike Rogers, the top Republican on the Armed Services Committee, argued that the audio was a “nothingburger” that was taken “completely out of context.”
“They were talking about if they had the impeachment hearings, and he was impeached,” Rogers said of Trump. McCarthy, he added, was merely offering a recommendation that Trump step aside before Democrats successfully removed him from the White House.
In the early days of January 2021, at the time of McCarthy’s recorded call, some House Republicans were wagering that the Senate could vote to convict Trump.
“It’s all inside baseball. Not a single constituent brought up that issue to me,” Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.) said of the McCarthy tape as he walked out of a meeting of senior Republicans.
“Nobody’s talking about it,” Davis added. “And frankly, I can’t wait till Speaker McCarthy is sworn in.”
The Times’ initial report on McCarthy’s post-insurrection comments — followed a day later by its release of audio from a private GOP meeting — jolted the House Republican conference at a time when many of its members are eager for the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol to retreat from view. McCarthy’s members would much prefer to focus on their efforts to retake the majority come November.
In the recording, McCarthy is heard telling then-GOP Conference Chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) that he was “seriously thinking” of speaking to Trump directly about whether he should resign after the attack on the Capitol.
The California Republican also told his leadership team on the tape that Trump had personally acknowledged at least some role in goading the rioters that day (which POLITICO reported at the time, citing multiple people with knowledge of the conversation).
Trump “told me he does have some responsibility for what happened and he’d need to acknowledge that,” McCarthy said in the phone call.
McCarthy briefly addressed the audio in a meeting Tuesday evening with Republican members of leadership and ranking members, four sources in the room told POLITICO. McCarthy told them he didn’t bring up the resignation scenario to Trump, nor did he raise the topic to the broader GOP conference, warning his members not to let the issue divide them.
Sources say that the attendees in this meeting, which is stacked with his allies, were all behind the GOP leader and that no one in the meeting sought to challenge him on it.
Some close to Trump have suggested the former president is not angry about the audio — instead, he sees it as a sign of his power because both the Senate and House GOP leaders appeared ready to turn on him after the Capitol siege and have since softened their approach.
Of course, that could change; others say Trump is known for sitting on information that he can later use to deploy against someone who has slighted him.
In Biggs’ interview with OANN, he took particular issue with Cheney’s participation in the discussion about how to respond to Trump, despite the fact that the call occurred when she would still be expected to participate as a member of GOP leadership. Serious efforts to oust her from the conference’s upper echelons didn’t get underway until weeks after the taped call.
“It is incredibly undermining when we were back in the heat of that” time after the riot by Trump supporters, Biggs told the conservative outlet. “And we have a leader basically negotiating with Liz Cheney over whether he should resign or not, [which] becomes a huge trust issue for me.”
McCarthy, notably, didn’t quite see Biggs’ remarks as suggesting that the recording could affect his trust in his leader.
“I don’t think that’s what he said,” McCarthy said of Biggs in a brief interview Tuesday night.
“Did you ask Jim Jordan?” the minority leader added, saying that the matter didn’t come up in GOP meetings that afternoon.
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